When blogger/online reporter Nikki Finke wrote up Warner Brothers' president Jeff Robinov's alleged stupid mouth-off about his future plans for female stars, you can imagine the hoo-raw in the media world. The shock! The anger! The outrage! The denials! And Ms. Finke's follow-ups on the story did nothing to diminish a really idiotic piece of behavior from the Warner Brothers end. Finke has been doing her level best to get their side of the store, and they've been as coy as a gal of courtin' age at the rodeo Saturday Night dance, complete with biddin' on homemade box lunches by the gal herself.
I haven't said anything before this because, well, everybody else has been saying plenty. And I was on the road. But now I'm not on the road for a whopping two days, and there is something I would like to add, my current to the blogstream.
WHY IS ANYONE SURPRISED?
Have people not been listening to Barbra Streisand? Have they not been listening to the likes of Debra Winger and Rosanna Arquette? Have they not been paying attention?
How many top movies by any mainstream houses have female stars in the leads--and how many of those are not romantic comedies? (Bonus question: how many of said leads are not blond young lovely twenty-somethings?)
How many films with female leads get serious studio publicity support? (The Brave One sure didn't. TV ads for two weeks before the picture opened and the rounds of the late night talk shows? Please.)
How many top movies by mainstream houses have female directors and/or producers? How many have women behind the camera or women in charge of the script?
How many top films with lead women show them in active roles as something other than sex dollies, nurturers, or babes who kick ass as long as they wear something tight? (Hey, what about the tough woman in The Kingdom who traipses all over Saudi Arabia in a tank top?) You may now disqualify any and all Gibson and Cruise pictures: women only get to be nurturers, toys, and mothers of the Inheritors of the Sacred Sacs.
You know what surprises me? That anyone cared enough about Robinov's statement to pass it on. My opinion of the current film industry is that nobody cares about women in mainstream filmmaking; that the halls are filled with the film industry's equivalent of Occasional Superheroine's former comic book colleagues' cries of "Hey, the rape pages are in!", and the corresponding scramble for a good, drooling view; that the women in mainstream filmmaking are either desensitized or keep their mouths shut so they can continue to make the big bucks; and that everyone is shocked that anyone is making a big deal of this. I'm sure they're wondering who the hell cared enough about the common point of view to pass this along to someone who might get bent out of shape. Either that or they're wondering how Robinov was stupid enough to say it out of clubhouse doors, where someone who might care would hear.
These people have made it abundantly clear over the last twenty years that they don't give a flying fuck what real women think, or what real men who are tired of the same old shit think. Over and over they keep pumping out the same old crap for adults, and wondering where their market share goes. HELLOOOOOO. It's going to independent movies, cable, foreign, and Netflix, where people with brains watch entertainment that engages them. The best young talents are going foreign, indie, and cable, suckas. And instead of trying to do something about it, you blame the women who lead your same batch o' crap churn `em outs, or the writers who give you precisely what you asked for, but never your own cowardice in refusing to break from the crumbling molds. You don't blame your over-paid, over-indulged, heel-dragging man-stars. You don't blame your over-paid and over-indulged hack directors, or your kick-boot producers, or your heads of corporation. You don't blame your own cowardice in trying the same old dying film formulas. You blame your second-class citizens, cut their salaries, pump up your own, and cry into your so-called martinis. A pox on all of you. Go turn out a zillionth "Halloween" or "Lethal Weapon" (if your star doesn't embarrass you again). Or go make another kiddie blockbuster like all the other kiddie blockbuster. The kids aren't wise to you, yet.
And does this entire rant feel familiar? Does it feel like I've said all this before, about another branch of the media?
Naaaaaaaaah.
I haven't said anything before this because, well, everybody else has been saying plenty. And I was on the road. But now I'm not on the road for a whopping two days, and there is something I would like to add, my current to the blogstream.
WHY IS ANYONE SURPRISED?
Have people not been listening to Barbra Streisand? Have they not been listening to the likes of Debra Winger and Rosanna Arquette? Have they not been paying attention?
How many top movies by any mainstream houses have female stars in the leads--and how many of those are not romantic comedies? (Bonus question: how many of said leads are not blond young lovely twenty-somethings?)
How many films with female leads get serious studio publicity support? (The Brave One sure didn't. TV ads for two weeks before the picture opened and the rounds of the late night talk shows? Please.)
How many top movies by mainstream houses have female directors and/or producers? How many have women behind the camera or women in charge of the script?
How many top films with lead women show them in active roles as something other than sex dollies, nurturers, or babes who kick ass as long as they wear something tight? (Hey, what about the tough woman in The Kingdom who traipses all over Saudi Arabia in a tank top?) You may now disqualify any and all Gibson and Cruise pictures: women only get to be nurturers, toys, and mothers of the Inheritors of the Sacred Sacs.
You know what surprises me? That anyone cared enough about Robinov's statement to pass it on. My opinion of the current film industry is that nobody cares about women in mainstream filmmaking; that the halls are filled with the film industry's equivalent of Occasional Superheroine's former comic book colleagues' cries of "Hey, the rape pages are in!", and the corresponding scramble for a good, drooling view; that the women in mainstream filmmaking are either desensitized or keep their mouths shut so they can continue to make the big bucks; and that everyone is shocked that anyone is making a big deal of this. I'm sure they're wondering who the hell cared enough about the common point of view to pass this along to someone who might get bent out of shape. Either that or they're wondering how Robinov was stupid enough to say it out of clubhouse doors, where someone who might care would hear.
These people have made it abundantly clear over the last twenty years that they don't give a flying fuck what real women think, or what real men who are tired of the same old shit think. Over and over they keep pumping out the same old crap for adults, and wondering where their market share goes. HELLOOOOOO. It's going to independent movies, cable, foreign, and Netflix, where people with brains watch entertainment that engages them. The best young talents are going foreign, indie, and cable, suckas. And instead of trying to do something about it, you blame the women who lead your same batch o' crap churn `em outs, or the writers who give you precisely what you asked for, but never your own cowardice in refusing to break from the crumbling molds. You don't blame your over-paid, over-indulged, heel-dragging man-stars. You don't blame your over-paid and over-indulged hack directors, or your kick-boot producers, or your heads of corporation. You don't blame your own cowardice in trying the same old dying film formulas. You blame your second-class citizens, cut their salaries, pump up your own, and cry into your so-called martinis. A pox on all of you. Go turn out a zillionth "Halloween" or "Lethal Weapon" (if your star doesn't embarrass you again). Or go make another kiddie blockbuster like all the other kiddie blockbuster. The kids aren't wise to you, yet.
And does this entire rant feel familiar? Does it feel like I've said all this before, about another branch of the media?
Naaaaaaaaah.
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Comments
I hope their empire topples just because people are changing. That is my hope. Meanwhile, I'm exhausted from boppy brainless crude comedies about sex, and big strong male characters in lead parts in the next big blockbusters.
I'm seeing Elizabeth this weekend, hoping again, that a woman represented in a powerful role as a leader where she is neither concerned with male acceptance or validation, will soothe my mind, even for a second.
The one that broke me was the blockbuster that ensued from a kid boning a pie. Apart from knowing pie filling is really hot when it's fresh-baked, the fact that this was even considered humorous just made me ill.
>>I'm seeing Elizabeth this weekend, hoping again, that a woman represented in a powerful role as a leader where she is neither concerned with male acceptance or validation, will soothe my mind, even for a second.<<
My fingers are crossed for you. She looks awesome in the armor.
By the way, I've never complimented you on the snake-necked lady icon. It is wondersome.
*I thought of it and girliness when I saw this discussion.
He obviously figured he was safe doing so!
You might want to check out When Fangirls Attack starting with Sunday, October 7, when Robinov's remarks and the feminist and other discussion first begins. A lot of different people register their opinions, including those who point out nobody says they'll stop doing movies with male leads when their movies flop. And there are other opinions, considerably more colorful than mine!
Mainstream film makers have hated Foster for years because she's smart and gay. Too bad the rest of us love her.
Another tangent, because I've had way too little sleep, has anybody else noticed that in most Bruce Willis movies that nearly all the females in the hero's life hate him?
So yes, I'm going back to sleep now, as I make NO sense and I have to work tonight.
Yes, and that he's sad about it (on occasion) but never sees any reason to change HIS behaviour in a meaningful way.
I know they're two different fields. But people notice so much faster when the boys are missing than when the girls are. (I'm not even sure the boys are missing, in children's lit; I suspect if I took a count, the numbers would be closer to even than we think--but I've not taken that count.)
(The number of people I've spoken to who do not notice how few women there are in the average animated kids film is really interesting. Not even the main characters, where there'll be a token girl--but the background indistinguishable characters, which tend to have no girls at all. Because either you're The Girl--and there's only room for one or two of you--or you don't exist at all.)
*sigh* For all that anime definitely has its own cultural (and sexist) issues, there's a lot more Strong Female Lead stuff going on there: Nausicaa, for (one of the better) example(s)...
However, it's also a key point that Warner Bros has also announced that they now won't do a Wonder Woman movie unless they can spin her off out of the JL movie. Which means, essentially, never. Just like we're not going to see a Storm or Rogue spin-off from X-Men (but we will get two male spin-off flicks of course.)
When I was working in the film business, one of of my projects was writing and directing a fantasy film (which died just before going into production, alas.) We not only had three strong female characters in the story (including a young woman who was much better at ass-kicking than the male lead) but when I started putting the production together, the thing that actually motivated me for a lot of choices I made was the idea of having as many women in the crew as I could get. As I recall, our crew would have been about 70% female, including the DP and production manager. Male stunt chief though. Our effects house would have been Fantasy II, which was co-owned by a woman and employed a lot of women.
Pity it didn't get done though.
We need more women in film, in front of and behind the camera. TV isn't doing much better, overall.
Granted, most of those people are pretty dense.
They're nice when they're good. . . .
Of course, the good ones are few and far between, there are plenty that insult your intelligence, and there are far too many that will make you crazy if you pay close attention.
Oh, I forgot that other reason their audiences are shrinking--IT COSTS TOO DAMNED MUCH!
Truth is, the chicks just can’t cut it and we need to face that and “go with the dollar”. This business ain’t about bein’ politically correct, ya know. /parody of what I was told in film school</blockquote>
I was trying to find the original place that BetaCandy talked about her school experiences, but my search skills weren't l33t enough.
It doesn't. Should it? I've been watching movies for years, and reading the magazines, and following the deals, and reading the gossip. Women are treated like shit in the media, from the dealer makers to the gossip mongers. Like I say, why was anyone surprised by the latest Warner Brothers uproar? If Robinov said it, he only got caught putting words to what's been obvious for decades.
As long as we support these clowns, they'll keep getting away with it.
Oh, Sarah Jane, how I love you.
I thought we were OVER all this sexism crap. You know, age of equality and freedom? Country BUILT on freedom? All that crap and shizazz and decades to make sure we are all seen as wquals? Total bullshit if they're blaming WOMEN for the failure of their movies. Since when the hell has the gender of a lead have ANYTHING to do with success? Since it's so stressed now that we're all equals (in fact, I've read in places that the men feel like THEY'RE the lower gender now, because of the strong anti-sexism feelings we get from women nowadays) why put a ban on female leads? Isn't this going back to, what, medieval times? Colonial times? Times when women are expected to be seen, not heard, to be pretty ornaments and keep the house and home?
Man, what crap. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. How far will they go? I understand why YOU'RE feeling so strongly about this, course...after all, all your books have strong, capable female leads. But come on. Who has time to care about the gender of the lead actor? (actress?)
Not in movies or TV. Not in comic books. Not in a lot of jobs. Not in schools, to hear a lot of grade and middle schoolers tell it. Want to hear your blood pressure rise? Pick up a copy of New Moon, a girls' magazine, and read the "How Aggravating!" column--real girls' letters on the shit they hear every day.
>> Country BUILT on freedom? <<
Not lately. Americans have no rights our executive branch is bound to respect, to hear them tell it.
>>All that crap and shizazz and decades to make sure we are all seen as wquals?<<
So many people, women and men, see our rights as won that they have given up paying attention, or they think it doesn't matter if they don't put up a struggle for them, because other people will. And no one thinks the media are important, even as they plunk their kids in front of tv and take them to movies to keep them occupied.
>>I've read in places that the men feel like THEY'RE the lower gender now, because of the strong anti-sexism feelings we get from women nowadays<<
That's because the moment some men think women might actually be getting power and attention, this is the whine they start setting up.
Sadly, it works. It's happening in kids' books right now. People are running around like idiots, trying to make the men feel better because they think the boys are being overlooked in kids' books.
>>Who has time to care about the gender of the lead actor? (actress?)<<
Movie makers?
The worst part is that progress is so slow that this whole bloody debate is getting boring. It seems kind of the worst type of front-line fatigue. Women in trenches, shells whistling 'round their ears ignoring the war in order to play cards.
That's because at cards we can see we stand a chance of winning.
Yeah, I know. Head to the rear, soldier. You're showing clear signs of battle fatigue.
Hollywood's primary market is teenagers. Period. The vast majority of movies that come out are aimed at teenagers because they have the disposable income and time.
And, yeah, pretty much this means Warner Brothers won't make any romantic comedies for three years. What a loss. I'm sure New Line and WIP will pick up the slack.
It's been awhile since I felt righteously angry. I can't believe I haven't heard about this until now.
Boycotting all WB movies now, kthxbye.
There is so much that needs to be said, and so many more times it needs to be repeated.
I know that Ashley Blakemore is sick of hearing this crap. She doesn't need to be saved. She doesn't need anyone telling her what to do. But she needs her tale to be told.
Thank you for the reminder.
At the risk of sounding ignorant, who's Ashley Blakemore?
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/827/8
I just like to say the problem is that Hollywood really needs a kick up the arse because its a LACK of imagination and a big reliance of cliches and remakes/sequels that is hurting the film industry. This may explain why Joss Whedon was kicked off/dropped from Wonder Woman, I would love to see his take on Wonder Woman. It would probably be fantastic compared to the crappy Superman Returns, which by the way they had no problem spending 300 million for and that movie wasn't successful compared to its predecessors. And the failure of Catwoman and Electra is another factor as well, but this is because the scripts and characterizations was poor and cliche ridden.
Its attitudes of Hollywood idiots who don't want to see anything that is innovative or challenging but rather than concentrating on a view of women who are sexy but 'tough' and lots of skimpy clothing.
You are my hero...plain and simple.
please email (or at least try. your life i sprobably hectic enough)
stephanie72495@gmail.com
and p.s. for your next character, try another daughter thing. Aly's story was incredible. Trickster's Choice has to be my favorite book you have ever written. (ive read alot of your books.)
Before anyone thinks I'm heartless, I wrote her back!
With regards to the post:
I'm not shocked, because I've seen this sort of crap before. That doesn't stop me from being incredibly pissed about it though. To tell you the truth, I wouldn't have known if I hadn't seen this blog entry (although doubtless someone on my flist will post about it soon). I'm not really sure what else I can say about it though, other then that Joss Whedon is awesome, for obvious and almost related reasons (and wasn't he booted from the Wonder Woman film?)
What ever happened to films like Alien/s?
*spoilers and stuff*
Around three-quarters of the way through the movie, the main characters are reduced to three women: Alice, K-Mart, and I-can't-remember-her-name-but-she-was-re
I was sure one of them had to die. This is what happens when there are too many strong women, right?
But no! They all lived, and K-Mart was entrusted with the mysterious book, and Awesome Woman Who I Think Is Niki In 'Heroes' continued to be awesome and not eaten by zombies for having the gall to be tough without having superpowers.
And best of all, Alice took her Ripley-esque scene of finding a gajillion clone-hers with both hands, killed the bastard who killed all those Hers and woke the rest up. Didn't leave them there, comatose; didn't blow them up because of the skeeviness of their creation. She woke them up, and they're people now, and they're going to be totally awesome. And kill zombies nad bad guys. And I totally shouldn't have watched that movie just before my exams, because I can't keep focussed any more :D
And best of all, Alice took her Ripley-esque scene of finding a gajillion clone-hers with both hands, killed the bastard who killed all those Hers and woke the rest up.
Damn! If I weren't a total wuss who'd have screaming nightmares, I would utterly watch this. It sounds wonderful! But I would have nightmares, so thanks for the synopsis! It makes me happy!