The wondersome, brilliant, and insightful Elizabeth Bear
matociquala wrote this column for the Winter 2007 edition of Subterranean Press. I saw it, of course, via When Fangirls Attack, the entry for December 3.
If you read Bear's column, you'll know why it appealed to me. Check it out:
. . . I’ve been hearing some complaints that women are taking over fantasy and science fiction, getting our relationship and character germs all in it, and ruining it for honest blaster-lovin’ men. That our books are all soft and fuzzy and full of ponies with braided manes and pretty princesses and happy endings where true love triumphs over the wicked king and then there is a wedding.
Now, me, I love a good blastering as much as the next guy. But apparently, I’m in ur genre, spreadin’ my girl germs, and ruining it for the boys.
It seems I’ve become a poster child for female SF authors (an interviewer told me not too long ago that I was notorious for penning strong women) which amuses me to no end, because the odd thing is, I can walk around for days on end without remembering that I Am A Girl. I just don’t think about it, frankly. Except when I have to put on a bra before I walk to the corner store.
I don’t think of myself as a woman writer. I think of myself as a writer, full stop, or a speculative fiction writer, if it comes right down to it. If somebody asks what I do for a living, I tell them I’m a novelist. I don’t tell them I’m a woman novelist.
This could be me, only my area is fantasy for teenagers. In the last couple of years, there has been a lot of stuff about how we don't have enough books out there for boys. Subtext: there are too many girls writers out there. We are getting our girl cooties all over things, with our pretty princesses and our long-maned horsies and our royal weddings. We're getting relationship and character germs all over teh Bookz and the boys are running screaming with their t-shorts over their heads out of the libraries--
to read gamer manuals, gaming magazines, computer magazines, whatever's online, plus books by Eoin Colfer, Anthony Horowitz, Clive Cussler, comics, and nonfiction.
Bear is also right in that we girl writers are not being sponsored by charitable institutions as an alternate means of putting us in sweatshops. (Trust me, a lot of us would sew our fingers to the Britney t-shirts.) We are on the shelves because we have a market, and it is made up of both sexes. My own audience now stretches from ten to eighty, with more and more over-twenties at every appearance. And a lot of those are librarians, teachers, and booksellers.
This led me to a second conversation on WFA, this one being held on the blog of anon, a mouse, in the thread ur doin it rite. Bear's column was the subject, and women writers finding an audience, whether it is with the comics Big Two--Marvel and DC--was one point raised. That's when a lot of things came together for me: what the posters were saying (at least one of whom I've had knock-down, drag-out fights with), what Bear said in her first paragraph, and my last two years' experience in the world of comicdom. I had a moment of comics satori
As far as the Big Two are concerned, women are never going to get a serious foothold. I'm not as 100% positive on this where DC is concerned--they make moves like hire Gail Simone to do Wonder Woman and try the Minx line, still going when other houses would have dumped it, and my conviction wobbles. But I am certain about Marvel. I am also certain about the fanboys. Not all of them. There are seriously good guys out there, and I feel bad for them, being tainted by the brush of the rabid, vicious, snapping, wild-eyed, runny-nosed, spitting, slavering, howling, gnashing, straining, grunting, muscle-flexing, finger-clenching, vein-popping, yapping, knee-jerking guttersnipes who turn on and savage anyone who dares to breathe on their comics worldview. They encourage each other to descend to their circle of the mudpits with slaps on the back and bonus points at each tentative sign of trogdom.
And they hose any person not one of their cherished creators if that person attempts to do anything in comics. They create a closed circle of stagnant growth with the connivance of the Big Two.
We don't have to do this. Every woman who has made a name for herself and her own vision in the arts has done so by taking whatever opening she was given and muscling her way to creating her own audience, those who appreciate her unique vision. Gail has been able to do that at DC, but Lea Hernandez established her kingdom with the indies. There are women building their audiences with independent comics, creating their worlds without the savagery of the Big Two and their fanKomodos to fight. Yes, it's thankless. Yes, it would be cool to write Spider-Woman, Storm, Huntress, Rogue, Black Canary, et al., who were our heroes as kids.
But on the other hand, rather than be dissed time after time, maybe it's time to turn our backs on the asshats and build our own icons, online and via the independents. Yes, it will take years and lots of frustration to do it. It will take some of our own money and soul-crushing day jobs.
In 1979 I went to work for a literary agency. It was there I learned that 80% of us--people in the arts, including writers, DON'T MAKE A LIVING AT IT. Most of my friends have day jobs. I knew, after three years of reading income statements, reverting rights for authors, and going over contracts, that my chances of making a living were slim. I was going to write anyway, because I was dirt poor and had nothing else to make me better off. So I worked as a secretary and wrote. I began to publish a book here and a book there. Then I was told I could do better if I wrote boy heroes--but I didn't want to write boy heroes. So even though I knew I could do better, I kept writing girl heroes, because that's what I wanted to do. Things got really bad in the 90's, when I quit working in an office and tried to get a writing career off the ground--but by then I'd become one of the 1% who can barely live on her writing. By 2000 I was one of the .5% that made a good living at it. And I was still writing girl heroes.
Fuck the meanness and the smallness of the mainstream comics. Let's do it for ourselves. Let's build a new publishing empire. We know there's a market, otherwise who is manga selling to? But who needs this abuse, from the publishers who make fun of us to the fanboys who abuse us? Let's do it like we want it.
If you read Bear's column, you'll know why it appealed to me. Check it out:
. . . I’ve been hearing some complaints that women are taking over fantasy and science fiction, getting our relationship and character germs all in it, and ruining it for honest blaster-lovin’ men. That our books are all soft and fuzzy and full of ponies with braided manes and pretty princesses and happy endings where true love triumphs over the wicked king and then there is a wedding.
Now, me, I love a good blastering as much as the next guy. But apparently, I’m in ur genre, spreadin’ my girl germs, and ruining it for the boys.
It seems I’ve become a poster child for female SF authors (an interviewer told me not too long ago that I was notorious for penning strong women) which amuses me to no end, because the odd thing is, I can walk around for days on end without remembering that I Am A Girl. I just don’t think about it, frankly. Except when I have to put on a bra before I walk to the corner store.
I don’t think of myself as a woman writer. I think of myself as a writer, full stop, or a speculative fiction writer, if it comes right down to it. If somebody asks what I do for a living, I tell them I’m a novelist. I don’t tell them I’m a woman novelist.
This could be me, only my area is fantasy for teenagers. In the last couple of years, there has been a lot of stuff about how we don't have enough books out there for boys. Subtext: there are too many girls writers out there. We are getting our girl cooties all over things, with our pretty princesses and our long-maned horsies and our royal weddings. We're getting relationship and character germs all over teh Bookz and the boys are running screaming with their t-shorts over their heads out of the libraries--
to read gamer manuals, gaming magazines, computer magazines, whatever's online, plus books by Eoin Colfer, Anthony Horowitz, Clive Cussler, comics, and nonfiction.
Bear is also right in that we girl writers are not being sponsored by charitable institutions as an alternate means of putting us in sweatshops. (Trust me, a lot of us would sew our fingers to the Britney t-shirts.) We are on the shelves because we have a market, and it is made up of both sexes. My own audience now stretches from ten to eighty, with more and more over-twenties at every appearance. And a lot of those are librarians, teachers, and booksellers.
This led me to a second conversation on WFA, this one being held on the blog of anon, a mouse, in the thread ur doin it rite. Bear's column was the subject, and women writers finding an audience, whether it is with the comics Big Two--Marvel and DC--was one point raised. That's when a lot of things came together for me: what the posters were saying (at least one of whom I've had knock-down, drag-out fights with), what Bear said in her first paragraph, and my last two years' experience in the world of comicdom. I had a moment of comics satori
As far as the Big Two are concerned, women are never going to get a serious foothold. I'm not as 100% positive on this where DC is concerned--they make moves like hire Gail Simone to do Wonder Woman and try the Minx line, still going when other houses would have dumped it, and my conviction wobbles. But I am certain about Marvel. I am also certain about the fanboys. Not all of them. There are seriously good guys out there, and I feel bad for them, being tainted by the brush of the rabid, vicious, snapping, wild-eyed, runny-nosed, spitting, slavering, howling, gnashing, straining, grunting, muscle-flexing, finger-clenching, vein-popping, yapping, knee-jerking guttersnipes who turn on and savage anyone who dares to breathe on their comics worldview. They encourage each other to descend to their circle of the mudpits with slaps on the back and bonus points at each tentative sign of trogdom.
And they hose any person not one of their cherished creators if that person attempts to do anything in comics. They create a closed circle of stagnant growth with the connivance of the Big Two.
We don't have to do this. Every woman who has made a name for herself and her own vision in the arts has done so by taking whatever opening she was given and muscling her way to creating her own audience, those who appreciate her unique vision. Gail has been able to do that at DC, but Lea Hernandez established her kingdom with the indies. There are women building their audiences with independent comics, creating their worlds without the savagery of the Big Two and their fanKomodos to fight. Yes, it's thankless. Yes, it would be cool to write Spider-Woman, Storm, Huntress, Rogue, Black Canary, et al., who were our heroes as kids.
But on the other hand, rather than be dissed time after time, maybe it's time to turn our backs on the asshats and build our own icons, online and via the independents. Yes, it will take years and lots of frustration to do it. It will take some of our own money and soul-crushing day jobs.
In 1979 I went to work for a literary agency. It was there I learned that 80% of us--people in the arts, including writers, DON'T MAKE A LIVING AT IT. Most of my friends have day jobs. I knew, after three years of reading income statements, reverting rights for authors, and going over contracts, that my chances of making a living were slim. I was going to write anyway, because I was dirt poor and had nothing else to make me better off. So I worked as a secretary and wrote. I began to publish a book here and a book there. Then I was told I could do better if I wrote boy heroes--but I didn't want to write boy heroes. So even though I knew I could do better, I kept writing girl heroes, because that's what I wanted to do. Things got really bad in the 90's, when I quit working in an office and tried to get a writing career off the ground--but by then I'd become one of the 1% who can barely live on her writing. By 2000 I was one of the .5% that made a good living at it. And I was still writing girl heroes.
Fuck the meanness and the smallness of the mainstream comics. Let's do it for ourselves. Let's build a new publishing empire. We know there's a market, otherwise who is manga selling to? But who needs this abuse, from the publishers who make fun of us to the fanboys who abuse us? Let's do it like we want it.
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Comments
I come at this from the theater point of view having been an Equity Stage Manager for over 20 years. For 13 of those years, I did make a living at theater but it was a close thing at best and a hand to mouth existence that once I hit a certain age I had to take a look at what I was doing. Now understand that I had a blast and a half with what I did and I wouldn't trade that for the world but there came a time that I had to do something else. The something else turned out to be working at Del Rey Books which was cool and fun. Now I am a Mommy and my husband makes a living as a writer of stuff. Eventually I will probably go back into the Entertainment Industry in one form or another. I still have puppetry in my hip pocket for those special occasions.
So if you need an editor on board, count me in.
So if you need an editor on board, count me in.
8-D
I know, and I love it that you've stayed with me!
Thankfully, our publishing contracts don't require their Seal of Approval.
Trying to win over the old-school, girl-cootie fearin' genre people is an exercise in futility and energy better spent on creating something made of shiny-awesome anyway.
Edited at 2007-12-08 11:59 pm (UTC)
Which is exactly what we do!
I never know how to answer when asked, even in the context of just my handful of books, whether I'd ever thought about writing a boy. Because sure, some of the books floating around in my head have male main characters, but I didn't sit down and think, "Let's come up with some boy stories now." I sat down and thought, "These are the characters I need for the stories I want to write."
I point out all the boys who surround my girls, then name some of the authors who write boy books, and the fact that there are more boy hero books than girl hero books. It's not like their underrepresented!
And I agree, it is more of a question of "whose story is it?", not "what sex's story is it?"
::blushes:: Thanks!
Well, those and the CIRCLE books, which I really enjoy b/c they're partly about magic as science - kind of like Randall Garrett's Lord Darcy stories, only making more sense, IMO,
Best,
Tim
The thing is, as a reader, I'm not prepared to cede that territory. White Tiger is *mine*. Power Pack is *mine*. Rogue and Storm and Emma Frost are *mine*. Insofar as they belong to any fan, they belong to me, just as much as to those protesting feminist activism in the comics. And I don't want to write them. I want to read them without being disgusted or wearied or saddened by the sexism with which they are portrayed.
I can't believe that nothing will ever change, when so much has changed already. I have to believe in a future where sexism in artworks, like sexism in general, is considered as outdated and bizarre as a "democracy" where women aren't entitled to vote - superhero comics included. It won't be in my lifetime, but I can do what I can now.
I can support indy creators *and* work for change in the Big Two. Because I won't be satisfied with less.
Edited at 2007-12-09 12:15 am (UTC)
But cession may not be up to us, unless we go armed with bazookas. Though that is an idea.
(Excuse the double-ish post--my last was under my other lj sn.)
If I may climb the soap box here ...
When Sequential Tart started (almost 10 years ago), we were met by a certain amount "oh noes! girl cooties!", or posts asking why didn't we just go write for [fill in blank here], or why didn't we just join the Friends of Lulu?
It's going to be hard. It will have lots of ups and downs. You probably won't make a living at it. You will discover that you can having searing disagreements with people you otherwise respect. There is no one battle plan, no one single roadmap.
But.
If you build it, they will come.
No.
Really.
Keep plugging away at it.
But also, Rome wasn't built in a day.
Keep on doing.
Keep on creating.
Climb away! You are always more than welcome!
You may have guessed that I am just plain tired, disgusted, and worn down. I am heartsick over the sheer viciousness, and I have a career I put half a major hole in for comics. (The other half was no thanks to that drunk driver.) And this week I saw my husband verbally assaulted because I am more successful than he is.
I don't want to be these trogs' equal.
I say something like this and get told that I shouldn't be saying women should go out and make comics. Of course, I was a lot more confrontational, but still.
You are dead right about Marvel. They're on the same track they were in the early '90s, and we all know how THAT ended. Once the movies crash, and they will crash eventually...well, we might not have Marvel Comics anymore.
DC I think has more capability to change, if for no other reason than instead of being a company in their own right, they're owned by a titanic entertainment conglomerate. If Time Warner can make money doing it, they're going to do it, and frankly they don't care WHAT the hardcore think. I don't know that this will result in better comics, but at least there's somebody taking a somewhat larger view.
I say something like this and get told that I shouldn't be saying women should go out and make comics. Of course, I was a lot more confrontational, but still.
I'm sorry. I know it ain't exactly fair. Sometimes gender does count for more.
You know your opinion is listened to here, right? We may argue, but people listen first.
Is anyone seriously complaining about there not being enough books for *boys*? Isn't it the other way around? I say, let the girls have their turn--go and read all the old books, they're nothing *but* boys.
Besides, girl books are certainly not full of 'rainbows and ponies and happy marriages'. Okay, maybe some are, but most of the good ones? Strong female characters. And anyway, those really masculine books are just as bad as the really femm-y books--simply pandering to stereotypes. *good* literature is about *people*, not genders.
I've never really read these old comics you speak of--I'm a purely online comics girl. Except for Sandman. 'Cause Neil Gaiman is awesome.
Anywho, I'm all for the indies--don't let the Man get you down! ^_^
Which is why I write what I do--because boys' adventure is what I had. Now I write adventure, and I remember to include the girls.
Besides, girl books are certainly not full of 'rainbows and ponies and happy marriages'. Okay, maybe some are, but most of the good ones? Strong female characters.
The ones I read do!
And anyway, those really masculine books are just as bad as the really femm-y books--simply pandering to stereotypes. *good* literature is about *people*, not genders.
Exactly! That's the point
Like Elizabeth Bear said, the ones who are comfortable in their masculinity don't have this problem. Ask Tim, who loves Nora Roberts' Eve Dallas books (written under her J.D. Robb pseudonym)!
I feel ready to protest or storm a building or help build a new publishing empire (or at least buy their books)!
And for the record, my brother loves your Circle of Magic books. He takes them to wrestling meets. Imagine an 18-year-old District Champion heavyweight wrestler who could easily bench press a small pony sitting on the sidelines re-reading "Briar's Book" for inspiration. That guy is part of your audience. Next time there's an implication your girl cooties are ruining the business, maybe you should suggest that some guys LIKE girl cooties!
I grew up learning that women had to fight, had to stand up for themselves against things twenty times as old and hard as anything men face, but that that didn't give us the right or need to bash men for being men, but to criticize where there was fault and support where there was need. I know that people will treat me differently because I am a woman, but that doesn't mean that I have to accept it.
What I'm trying to say is thank you. Thank you for standing up and speaking your mind, thank you for being fair to everyone, thank you for writing books that have brought me and my mom and sister to talking. Thank you for trying to fight your way into the Big Two, and for taking a stand when they are asshats.
Thank you, for being a role model, and my hero, since I was young. Thanks.
But, of course, the most important question regarding all this is: Does this mean that there's a possibility of seeing some comics series of your books? ^_-
All joking aside, though, I have to confess that I'm dying to see what you'd do with a series about Kel, Alanna, or practically any of your characters/worlds.
I wanted to add my thanks, because without a doubt you are one of my role models and what keeps me pushing the envelope and fighting for projects that my bosses don't want to hear about because there's a female lead. Thank you so much, because I picked up your books for a re-read recently and started hitting the arguments in favor of some of my favorite projects even harder, because I really feel we need strong women in film desperately.
I do agree- there's a wilder, wider world out there than the Main Two in superheroes, and that's where we've got to carve our ground if we want to see less of the same-old-same-old. There HAVE been women who've been successful at Marvel and DC, but not enough. And obviously, not enough so that their creative visions filter through the whole T&A or the testosterone worship.
One of my reasons for abandoning Manstream was that I realized exactly what you're saying: We don't need this sh*t. Wading through countless covers and posts full of these horrible images helped me realize how small this world really was- the artists were just feeding off each other, everything was being cannibalized and regurgitated. And I'm not blaming the artists, or the writers or even the companies- it's juts a vicious cycle that rewards the most misogyny and objectification, until it appears you have to submit if you want to survive in it. Is my enjoyment of Wonder Woman or the X-Men worth being subjected to this? Like hell.
Women have always had to be resourceful, always twisting around the prevailing male-centered culture- whether penning novels for small audiences, making indy comics, or fanfiction (which I see as deliberate subversion).
And thanks to the wonders of the Internets, I can finally, after almost 25 years, say "thank you." I always loved fantasy and adventure stories as a kid, but *nothing* captured my imagination the way Alanna did when some long-ago librarian put it in my eleven-year-old hands. Narnia and Prydain were fun, but Alanna was a story for *me*. I thrilled when the sequels showed up in my library.
It's not hyperbole to say your books had a positive influence on my life. I'm a physicist and I've experienced more than my fair share of low expectations and "girls don't do science" at most (if not every) steps of the way. But at a young age, I had a fictional role model who, when told that "girls can't do that," went and did it anyway. So I always knew the naysayers were full of it.
So, again, thank you for Alanna, and all the heroines who followed her.
And I'm sorry about the comics and the fanboys and the assholes. They suck.
[\fangirl]
Even looking for a comics icon, trying to find one where the female is not overly sexualized or just the girlfriend is a challenge.
I had never heard of you until I was 19. I went to The Witching Hour in Salem and my Harry Potter friends were talking about you and going to your reading. We ended up in the elevator with you and I saw your name tag. When we got off the elevator I said "that was Tamora Pierce, you know." My friend Aly (who is in her late 20s) had to sit down she was so excited. This is a woman who works in publishing and deals with authors all the time. Well, that was all the convincing I needed to go to the reading. By the time I left the reading I was trying to figure out where in Salem I could buy your books.
That's not particularly relevant it was just a very exciting evening for me and a wonderful way to discover a new favorite author.
A note about comics: I've never been a comics girl but my brother spends all his extra cash on them. He was showing me a recent issue of a Marvel comic and complaining that the way the woman were drawn made them look like "aliens" he said to me: "Nobody actually looks like that. She wouldn't able to stand on those tiny feet." I was so proud of him.
part of me believes that things will only "get better" when a newer generation takes over. Your writing is kind've like a sponsor to the new generation, seeding them with the knowledge of really good fantasy with any type of main character available.
Also - in manga - Kyoko Hikawa's From Far Away.
(came in via eBear's LJ)
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Domain Name Registration (recommend business registration)
Website hosting fees (you can start out small and on a WordPress hosting site for very little each month)
Need digital graphic editing software and don't have the cash for photoshop... try GIMP it's free. Prefer vector graphics try Inkscape...it's also free...want 3d try OGRE it's free, need software to collaborate on scripts live--try MoonEdit it's...you guessed it: free!
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Recruit your RL friends and family.
Advertise (judiciously) on every comic book forum in existence.
Viral marketing is the best thing since sliced bread. Use it.
Get a team together! I'm sure there's NO other comic book authors in all of LJ and there's NO artist willing to give a start-up indie self-press a shot on deviantart.com . Nooo...
The only thing left to you is to create a quality product....and create the BUZZ.
Edited at 2007-12-09 06:00 am (UTC)
I'm a bit older than most of your readers, I guess (early 40's). When I was growing up, it was darned hard to find decent books with any female protagonists, once you'd read all of Andre Norton and Anne McCaffery. (And I did. Two or three times.) I'm all for the "girl protagonist" trend, including your books (which I read in one giant wave a few years back), but as I was looking for books for my nephew when he hit 9 or so, I found myself digging out ones I had read as a kid, like the "Volcano Adventure", "Jungle Adventure", etc. books. Books for boys with no agendas (aka media tie-ins) beyond decent storytelling and cool adventures, like the "girl" books that are popular today are very hard to find. I agree that there is a gap there. Boys are probably not reading as much because no one is putting out books they want to read. My two cents as a former bookseller, anyway.
Sorry for rambling on; it's late. Thanks for all your writing though (wish they'd been around when I was a bit younger!).