Here we go again: Matthew Murray, the gunman who killed four people in Colorado on Sunday the ninth, has now been identified as not only the product of a devoutly Christian family, but as someone who had been homeschooled all his life.
You know what this means. Once again people will be pointing to homeschooling as the source of dysfunctional teens and adults and the mainspring of Christian fanaticism. The first headline MSNBC put up--they've since changed it--was that Murray was homeschooled.
This bothers the hell out of me. I know a lot of homeschooled kids, their sibs, their parents, and their educators. Some of them are Christians. Most of them are not. All of them are devoted to getting their kids an education that responds to their needs, instead of seeing them forced into the more and more rigid mold of the modern public school system. They can see, as more and more public school parents are seeing, that teachers are being forced to teach to tests, to meet federal requirements, rather than teach kids so that they actually acquire educations.
Homeschool families choose to homeschool their kids for all kinds of reasons. Their kids are bright, or have learning or emotional or physical disabilities the school cannot accommodate, and thus the kids are being left behind, or they are acting out. The school is poor or rich and their kids cannot fit in, or the other kids and even the staff make it very hard on the kids. The family has a belief system the school cannot or will not accept, or a belief system they feel is undermined by public education. The kids have allergies to the actual materials in the school. Often the reasons people choose to homeschool are a combination of many of these things.
And there are as many kinds of homeschool as there are problems that lead families to elect to homeschool. There are programs supervised by outsiders, programs supervised online, programs in which the kids are tutored outside the home for some classes, programs in which tutors come in, and programs launched from a resource center, where families can go for books, some classes, and social interactions. And there are classes inside the home, run by family members.
No one homeschools to create nutjobs. They homeschool in the hope that their kids will grow up to be happy, well adjusted, and well educated. In the case of religious homeschoolers, they also hope to rear their children in the faith of their forebears. Once, not so long ago, all schools did that, and no one questioned it. Once, not so long ago, there were parts of America where the only schooling available was homeschooling, and no one thought the worse of it. Abraham Lincoln was homeschooled.
So when the media goes nuts and points to homeschooling as the creator of Matthew Murray, think of all the killers who have come from public schools as compared to those who have come from homeschools. And also think about how many people with an education of any kind who commit mass murder are just plain crazy.
You know what this means. Once again people will be pointing to homeschooling as the source of dysfunctional teens and adults and the mainspring of Christian fanaticism. The first headline MSNBC put up--they've since changed it--was that Murray was homeschooled.
This bothers the hell out of me. I know a lot of homeschooled kids, their sibs, their parents, and their educators. Some of them are Christians. Most of them are not. All of them are devoted to getting their kids an education that responds to their needs, instead of seeing them forced into the more and more rigid mold of the modern public school system. They can see, as more and more public school parents are seeing, that teachers are being forced to teach to tests, to meet federal requirements, rather than teach kids so that they actually acquire educations.
Homeschool families choose to homeschool their kids for all kinds of reasons. Their kids are bright, or have learning or emotional or physical disabilities the school cannot accommodate, and thus the kids are being left behind, or they are acting out. The school is poor or rich and their kids cannot fit in, or the other kids and even the staff make it very hard on the kids. The family has a belief system the school cannot or will not accept, or a belief system they feel is undermined by public education. The kids have allergies to the actual materials in the school. Often the reasons people choose to homeschool are a combination of many of these things.
And there are as many kinds of homeschool as there are problems that lead families to elect to homeschool. There are programs supervised by outsiders, programs supervised online, programs in which the kids are tutored outside the home for some classes, programs in which tutors come in, and programs launched from a resource center, where families can go for books, some classes, and social interactions. And there are classes inside the home, run by family members.
No one homeschools to create nutjobs. They homeschool in the hope that their kids will grow up to be happy, well adjusted, and well educated. In the case of religious homeschoolers, they also hope to rear their children in the faith of their forebears. Once, not so long ago, all schools did that, and no one questioned it. Once, not so long ago, there were parts of America where the only schooling available was homeschooling, and no one thought the worse of it. Abraham Lincoln was homeschooled.
So when the media goes nuts and points to homeschooling as the creator of Matthew Murray, think of all the killers who have come from public schools as compared to those who have come from homeschools. And also think about how many people with an education of any kind who commit mass murder are just plain crazy.
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Speaking as someone who is about to start homeschooling her son, this irritates me. But forewarned is forearmed, so...
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Time to start turning the panicking herd.
This sort of reporting has nothing to do with the truth or real journalism - it is sloppy and lazy and shame on the editors involved.
No one acts like this unless they ultimately hate themselves and have absolutely no empathy for others
(I survived, and I happen to like public education, but yeah -- statistically speaking, I would guess that more murderers were public-schooled than anything else [since public schools were established].)
Our local homeschoolers get together for field trips and have a band. They were invited to perform at Disneyland. Does that sound like a bunch of sociopaths? Not so much.
My daughter is three, and we are still up in the air as to what we will do about school next year. *sigh*
Connecting murderers with homeschooling is ridiculous. One might as well say that all murderers breathed air, so therefore breathing air causes you to be a murderer!
Of course, this shooting doesn't help the position jokingly stated in that title...
For anyone interested in how your public library can assist with homeschooling needs, Adrienne also publishes a homeschooling blog.
For awhile I wasn't telling people I'm homeschooled because they instantly say prejudiced things such as, "Oh, that must have been so much easier than public school," or, "I wish I could sit around all day and watch TV like you," or "I'm never going to homeschool my kids. I'd hate to isolate them like that." (I've actually heard all three comments.) But I've decided to tell people after they've known me for awhile, just to prove the stereotypes aren't true. Because stereotypes can be very annoying.
What I love most about homeschooling is that it allowed me the time and support to write novels at an early age. I doubt I could have done that if I were in public school.
The only problem I have with homeschooling is that sometimes the children don't develop the social skills they would being surrounded by others of the same age. Yes, school is about learning history and science, etc., but it's also about learning to interact with your peers. If you constantly secluded from children your own age you emerge social undeveloped and have a hard time later in life.
Let me clarify, however, that I think it's absurd to say homeschooling turns children into killers.
This is, to me, just as stupid as citing, "well all quiet and shy kids are really just angry killers in the making."
The media wouldn't print that trash if they didn't KNOW that people would eat it up like a diabetic for insulin. Jeesh.
What is so wrong with parents taking a role in their children's education? The last time I checked, it was due to lack of parental involvement that children were suffering. So now, we are going to turn a complete 180 and blame TOO MUCH parental involvement??? Its ridiculous.
I suppose we should all just run around and sing "Brick in the Wall" at the top of our lungs substituting the word 'Parents' for 'Teachers'.
Stupid media headliners.
Someplace recently I saw it called "the National Enquirer-ization of media."
If it wasn't home-schooling it would have been something else. Video games, rpgs, hunting, whatever. I generally wait for the analysis from sources that aren't trying to get out information (ANY information) to top off the news cycle. That way you can hear from someone who's done REAL in-depth research, consulted experts in the field, etc etc...
24/7 news is really only useful when a BIG event is happening where constant updates as new information comes in is helpful...
The owner of the pizza place did apologize the next time we were in - we ate there a *lot*, and he knew us. Small town, etc. But, nonetheless, oy. People get so *dumb* when they're scared.
I hope the general public will look at the particular instance more than at the act of homeschooling in general. What if a reporter published an artical about one of the many other mass killers from the past titled "Killer educated at public school, raised in Godless household?" 'Cause, uh, some of them were?
It seems to be fading from the public notice. Too much going on, I suppose.
What if a reporter published an artical about one of the many other mass killers from the past titled "Killer educated at public school, raised in Godless household?" 'Cause, uh, some of them were?
Oh no--not another rampage about how Godless America is!
We also started finding out we had a lot of gifted and/or homeschooled and/or learning disabled teens on the board as it grew. I started going to a gifted/homeschool conference, Beyond I.Q., and helped some of our gang as they got into homeschooling themselves.
I'm not the owner of Sheroes anymore, but I'm still a member, I'm still friends with a lot of the gang, and I'm still friends with the educators who are on the current board of administrators, so I keep up.
Oh noes! The collective brain is squeaking!
This illustrates a point my college economics professor liked to make.
There are liars, damn liars and statisticians!.
You can not reasonably compare the two because the sample sizes are so different.
The correct (arguably) is the percentage in the total population of schooled children.
On another thread from this item it really irritates me when public school vs home schooled bash each other.
The goal is the same. Produce the best educated and adjusted individual you can. Both sides loose if they don't interact with each other.
Point taken, but do me a favor? Don't say this to home school bashers, okay?
Produce the best educated and adjusted individual you can. Both sides loose if they don't interact with each other.
Very true. I'm for whichever kind of education doesn't turn out a mauled kid, and at this point, I've seen more kids mauled by public school. I've also seen a majority that have survived and even benefited by it, but I don't like what I'm seeing in modern public schools, and what's more, the staff at modern public schools don't like it, either.
Whatever works is my credo. Teaching to the test isn't working.
It's still dumb for people to try to find a solely Nurture reason behind the fact that some people are just not sane and do harmfully not sane things.
Yes, but you start bringing Nature into it and people start snarling because you might be hinting their sacred genes are at fault!
I was homeschooled through high school, my husband went all the way through it, and we'll be primarily homeschooling our daughter because it's worth it, even though we know firsthand it is damn hard to do it right.
From my point of observation, any part of parenting is hard to do right. All you can do is bone up, find resources for help, and listen to each other and your daughter. I'll be sending positive vibrations your way!
Puhlease. What a ridiculous thing to say about someone who obviously had problems regardless of whether they were homeschooled or not. (Not directed at you Tammy)...
I've come across people who have been homeschooled and I have noticed that out of of the few I've met that there has only been a couple of them that have troubles interacting with others when they get older. All of the others are just as friendly and cheerful as anyone else who is enjoying their life.
But you get that problem with anyone you come across in your lifetime. I've certainly had moments where I've had enough of someone and their BS, or my own situation, but I'd never do anything to harm myself or anyone else.
I myself went through public school, and well, there IS just as many problems with kids that are put through that system as well. I was picked on ALOT when I was at school (both primary and high school), and not because I did anything wrong either. I mean, it messed up my view of my childhood while at school, but I'm certainly not going to get angry or viciously attack someone because of pent up issues.
Religion as a factor is a hard one to bring into it as well. Christianity being such a well known and widely followed religion is absolutely part of the reason that this person did what he did *rolls eyes*... what a load of rubbish. It doesn't matter what religion you are brought up in all honesty. Well, in my opinion anyway. You do get a few that might be a bit weird, but that's mainly because they are so deeply involved in their religion to think otherwise, and they probably don't care either.
Now I'm a young adult, that has the philosophy of "treat others the way how you wish to be treated" and 9 times out of ten I stick to that. That 1 time is just me not putting up with someone's crap.
Oh, yeah! All Paolini's niceness is just a facade, and of course, we all know how much he likes video games . . . ::rolled eyes::
No, a whole lot of things, including--possibly--the way in which Murray was homeschooled had something to do with this, but other people who came from the same type of experience have spoken out, and they haven't done what he did, nor do they plan to. Their focus is on healing themselves and others who had this hard life, not on harming anyone.
This was just a tragedy, for everyone.
It like suddenly stifling you kids imagination, freedom, experiences are the ways to raise a healthy individual.
People are also dumb and beleive anything that FOX news tells them...gamers, homeschoolers, shy kids, just wait! Your social group is next!!!
As for me, I was a gifted kid and read a lot and became an expert on what I was interested in and loved to learn. But at age 13 I fought to be allowed to go to high school, because I was socially isolated (if not for brainwashing purposes--my parents were asocial and didn't do play groups or Little League or any of those other group activities) and knew it, and felt I needed to be in an environment where I could learn to interact with my peers. (Yes, that was my logic at the time.)
I'm not saying homeschooling is all good or bad--nor that it caused Murray to snap--but in my experience it had some big weaknesses as well as advantages and definitely provides an opportunity for parents to isolate their kids in an abusive situation.
Edited at 2007-12-11 09:43 pm (UTC)
This has a lot of information about the type of circumstances Mathew Murray would have experienced in the Dominionist Christian circles
Edited at 2007-12-11 10:32 pm (UTC)
My mother is going to love this piece-we started homeschooling just before the "boom" and it was tough going before the idea went at least even partially mainstream. I love how much you get it!
Edited at 2007-12-11 10:26 pm (UTC)
The noise appears to be dying down for the moment, and I put up another post on an article on unschooling. It just seems like the more information we have out there, the less people will ask you asshole questions like that!
As someone who managed to be homeschooled, attend a private school, and attend public school...and drop out and get a GED...growing up, I think I would probably like public and private school even less if I hadn't been homeschooled. My experiences still left me thinking that the only social environment school can possibly be socializing people for is prison, but I had _very_ bad experiences in school. Still, I think schools can be saved, and I think homeschooling can also go wrong. And I think it's silly and simplistic to blame either for the actions of a nutjob. If the news is trying to, it just proves that they really do have a short attention span, since this happened less than a week after another random mass shooting which had nothing whatsoever to do with religion (the killings in the mall in Omaha).
No, but the schmuck was homeschooled for four years. Hush! Say nothing! By all signs he was just a complete mess, in and out of homes for most of his life.
Again, I'm not saying school is all good or all bad, anymore than homeschooling. I'd just like there to be more give in the system, more room for oddballs like, well, I was.