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The attempt to put women's birth choices

  • Aug. 25th, 2008 at 2:55 PM
women, defiance
into the hands of anyone but the woman concerned, Part 2.

This AP article provides more information about the new rule, exactly what it says, how it can be stretched, and when we should worry.

I say we should really worry, right now.

If you haven't signed the NARAL petition or the we'll-ask-you-for-money-first Planned Parenthood petition, I ask that you consider doing so. We have to move fast--September 30th isn't that far away.

[info]kallaneboi has also thoughtfully provided us with a link to MoveOn's petition.

Comments

[info]dmoonfire wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 07:10 pm (UTC)
My dislike of this is the broad scope of it. I mean, it would probably result in having every single person involved (doctor to the tool sterilizer) to certify that they are comfortable with a procedure. I mean, from that point alone, it makes it a bureaucratic nightmare, but it also increases the odds that one person will disagree with the procedure and therefore prevent it. Which is the point, I think.
[info]kallaneboi wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 07:20 pm (UTC)
Here's another petition I found on Facebook

http://pol.moveon.org/contraception/?rc=fb.cnota
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 09:22 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the MoveOn link--I posted it in the previous entry, with the other organizational links. Here it's close enough to the top I think people will see it, and I want it to get the maximum coverage I can manage!
[info]kallaneboi wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2008 04:23 am (UTC)
You're welcome :) The Facebook group has 41k+ members, up over a thousand people since I made my last comment. Word is really getting out there :D
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2008 02:12 pm (UTC)
That IS good news!
[info]earthgoat wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 07:38 pm (UTC)
Done and done. Thanks for keeping us abreast of things so that we can do our part!
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 08:46 pm (UTC)
Just so you know, this isn't being done by me in the chill spirit of civic outrage--it's me in a sheer panic. With all of the coverage this is not getting in the media, we can be so easily choused out of more protections that we thought were secure. How many women out there don't even know about this?
[info]earthgoat wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 08:51 pm (UTC)
Either way, you're doing something and spreading the word about what's going on. That's important. I'll do my part now and pass on the information.
[info]nanashi_jones wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 08:28 pm (UTC)
Here's the bill in all its glory:

45 CFR Part 88

I find having the words on hand lends extra venom to responses.

The bill itself directs "electronic comments" to go through Regulations.gov, so if anyone wants to go that extra mile, that option is open.

One way that can help is citing the specific broadening of words like "sterlization procedures" so that it is not left vague. Telling government officials to change something gives them wiggle room and leaves them asking "What something?" and a terrifying space to rewrite and claim compliance. If we can call them on a specific word or phrase, they have all the wiggle room of a steel box.
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 08:47 pm (UTC)
I hope you don't mind--I'm going to move this into a separate post, so it doesn't get lost!
[info]nanashi_jones wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 09:00 pm (UTC)
Go for it! Inform that public! :)
[info]lunalovegoddess wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 10:45 pm (UTC)
This bothers me on quite a few levels. To get personal about it:

1. I am a rape survivor. The thought of not being able to seek emergency contraception is very scary. It's difficult enough for women to come forward and seek medical help after trauma without having to fight health care workers for our reproductive rights. Had that been an option for me at the time, I'd have taken it.
(Campus policy at the time: if you were under 21, you could not be given any forms of birth control or be treated without parents' written permission.)

2. I had a tubal ligation after the birth of my second child, in my early twenties, because I made a well-informed decision that took into consideration my economic status, prior pregnancy complications and post-partum depression, etc. I saw little point in continuing to take birth control pills when I had no intention of having more children. My OB/GYN at the time cautioned me that I might change my mind later on, and desire to have a larger family. However, he respected my desire to be able to provide for the family I already had before considering adding another child. With a food-allergic toddler and an infant at home, the choice was clearcut for me.

Pro-choice does not mean anti-family or anti-life. It means not signing away our rights to
[info]aikiariyen wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2008 12:10 am (UTC)
Your number one is exactly why, as an Australian, I've been searching for somewhere online that I can add my voice. The thought scares me that, since so many of our Governments like to follow in the footsteps of the USA, they might try something like this at home if it gets through over there.
[info]lady_rilwen wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2008 01:43 pm (UTC)
So, so much agreed, as another Australian very much afraid that our country might mimic the US and we'd lose our rights.
[info]aikiariyen wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2008 08:33 pm (UTC)
The thought that, as a scared and upset 17yo I wouldn't have had access to emergency contraception, is a really, really terrifying thought. The thought that could happen to someone who suffered an even more traumatic sexual assault than I did? It seems to me to be an abuse of human rights.

Also, if they can start doing this to women, then they will then be able to use it to follow on and prevent vasectomies and other male procedures. They could use it to prevent sex-change procedures, anything else that is suddenly deemed unacceptable to the 'Christian' conservatives. How happily would the Government that has such a narrow view of the 'working family' take the precedence set by the US and run with it here at home once one area was through?
[info]lady_rilwen wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2008 10:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that would be horrible.

I can see the limits being tightened...but not on men. They'd likely still be able to get vasectomies. Because it has been a matter of recent history that women have had to get permission for, say, a tubal ligation, in case their partner wanted babies, while men could just go out and get one with not even questions about 'what if your wife wants children?'.
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2008 12:06 am (UTC)
men could just go out and get one with not even questions about 'what if your wife wants children?'.

The underlying premise is the Victorian one: "men know what they want, while women are too silly to know their own minds."
[info]aikiariyen wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2008 12:14 am (UTC)
Too true. I don't think that's been a requirement here (QLD), but I wouldn't be surprised if it was some time back. I do recall my mother having to fill out forms when Dad had his procedure done about 10 years ago, but I'll admit as a 13yo I wasn't exactly interested in anything to do with it.

I suppose the thought I'm having is that if you get a fundamentalist Christian doctor in charge, they would likely refuse all preventative procedures and medications, though I would assume it would be more likely the woman who would experience it harsher than a male.
[info]aikiariyen wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2008 12:07 am (UTC)
Unfortunately it seems that not all petitions are open to us foreigners, but I've signed the ones I can. A voice from elsewhere might not count much in the long run, but it's another name on the list of people who don't support it.
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2008 01:39 pm (UTC)
A voice from elsewhere might not count much in the long run

It counts to us who feel like we're bleeding friends, believe me!
[info]aikiariyen wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC)
Good to know :)

When it comes to things like this, it's not really just a case of Women's Rights, but human rights, because someone is trying to decide they know what's best for our bodies without our input. It would have the same effect on me if it were enabling practitioners to deny some other form of procedure or medication because of their own religious beliefs.

(If that's not coherent, I apologise - my brain still thinks it's only 4:30am despite it being two hours later in actuality)
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2008 12:09 am (UTC)
Exactly. Governing the bodies of strangers is unacceptable, whatever you are trying to govern them for.
[info]aikiariyen wrote:
Aug. 27th, 2008 12:15 am (UTC)
Wholeheartedly in agreement with that!
[info]dewline wrote:
Sep. 2nd, 2008 02:22 am (UTC)
I'll work to remember that, Tammy.
[info]thisdaydreamer wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2008 04:42 am (UTC)
All three have been signed. May I link in my journal?
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2008 01:38 pm (UTC)
May I link in my journal?

Feel free! (They haven't found a way to legislate that yet. . . .)

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