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What happened to "There Is No God But Allah

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and Mohammed is his Prophet?"

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance):... "
The Book of Women 4.34, the Koran


Placed against this part of the holy book of Islam, I'm finding it very hard to make sense of this report of the acid-scarred female scholars of Afghanistan, and

a Saudi Arabian court's ruling that puts girls younger than 15 in the marriage beds of older men (though they're really not supposed to fuck their young wives till they reach puberty). Does anyone here care to place odds on how many of those husbands wait?

Where is the faith in the Koran? Where are the "protectors and maintainers of women"?

And yes, I know there are plenty of people in other faiths who don't follow the laws laid down in their holy books. I am making two points here: one, that these men are using the cover of religion to do what they do, and two, what they do is in the face of their faith, and is not endorsed by the bulk of those who follow the terms of their faith. There is good in Islam. But these acid-throwers, and this judge, could read their Koran all their lives and never see it.

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[info]q_sama wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2009 08:34 pm (UTC)
Have you by any chance read Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali? It's an amazing look at Islamic women from within, and also questions the role of those of us on the outside... you might find it an interesting read, if you haven't read it already.
[info]dewline wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2009 08:58 pm (UTC)
And Irshad Manji as well, perhaps?
[info]linkara wrote:
Jan. 24th, 2009 10:45 am (UTC)
I LOVE Irshad Manji's book. Taught me more about the Koran and what Islam should be better than any news report could ever hope to achieve.
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2009 12:39 am (UTC)
Have you by any chance read Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

Is it going to bite me on the ass? I'm feeling kinda frangible this week.
[info]q_sama wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2009 02:41 pm (UTC)
You might want to wait a while to read it... parts will make you furious. It's Ayanna Hirsi Ali's personal account of growing up in Islam -in Somalia, Saudi Arabia and Ethiopia - and then seeking assylum in the Netherlands, where she went on to become a member of parliament and co-creator of a short film on women in Islam. She's a very controversial woman, and her tale is fascinating. It will enrage you when it comes to the feminist issues, but it's the kind of rage we need to have.
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2009 07:55 pm (UTC)
She's a very controversial woman, and her tale is fascinating. It will enrage you when it comes to the feminist issues, but it's the kind of rage we need to have.

Then I will wait a little, only because I'm presently reading a collection of short stories by an Auschwitz survivor and I'm a bit frangible. I made a mistake and broke my rule of one a day--just read two. I need to find something lighter to read until tomorrow.
[info]q_sama wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2009 12:51 am (UTC)
Do you mind me asking for the title & author of the book? I spent a good degree of time in college focusing on Holocaust history (I did modern European history, in general), and I'm always interested in new tales.
[info]gngrmyrsn wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2009 08:39 pm (UTC)
a Saudi Arabian court's ruling that puts girls younger than 15 in the marriage beds of older men (though they're really not supposed to fuck their young wives till they reach puberty). Does anyone here care to place odds on how many of those husbands wait?

Saudi child brides, meet your sister sex slaves in the FLDS. At least it's not supposed to be legal here.

Religion is supposed to help us be better people. In the wrong hands, it turns some people into monsters. And if there's a viable solution, I don't know what it is. Supposedly female education is the answer to, well, everything, but educating girls is too scary and dangerous in too much of the world. Plus ca change...
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2009 12:41 am (UTC)
Saudi child brides, meet your sister sex slaves in the FLDS. At least it's not supposed to be legal here.

I started to add them and the girls of Tony Alamo's cult, and decided I was going to lose my focus. I never forget them, though.



OT
You have Yojimbo for your icon! Squee!!!

Paraphrase: "A lot of child abusers in this world need killing."
[info]babooshka2002 wrote:
Jan. 26th, 2009 05:15 am (UTC)
And don't forget the Children of God cult, either.
[info]karisma_black wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2009 08:52 pm (UTC)
The thing I find most sad is the amount of people who jump to conclusions about an entire religion of people based on the few. People like this, who use religion as a crutch to do horrible things, make everyone of that religion, and even of other religions, look bad.

It's the same way that the Pro-Life fanatics make others who are Pro-Life look horrible, such as in this article:

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro-life_group_up_in_arms_over.php

While I'm Pro-Choice and Christian, it makes me often times want to bash my head into the wall when I hear stories like the one you posted and the "abortion donuts". Really, hasn't the world learned better by now?
[info]mawrter wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2009 11:38 pm (UTC)
Why can people just come up with the Church of the Eternal @sshole? Then all of the people who want to use their religion as a justification for doing things that are straight up evil can get together, have their religion, and leave the rest of us in peace.

I don't know if there is a religion that is free from people who turn it to evil purposes, and it really ticks me off. It's hard enough that the fundamentalist Christians give my own religion (paganism) such bad press, but then there are the people who go and ritually abuse children on my holidays, confirming that bad press. Ugh.

As for the Krispy Kreme thing, it reminds me of the church I was raised in, who were anti-Santa Claus (you can rearrange the letters in Santa and get Satan) and objected to the abbreviation Xmas because it "crossed out Christ." Um, folks. "Santa" means "saint" and that "X" stands for Christ. Seriously.

It's as bad as the feminists who object to the word "history" because that means it's all about men.

Save me from ignorant people who try to keep everyone else from thinking.

But thanks, Karisma Black, for posting about Krispy Kreme; maybe I'll snag a free donut on Tuesday! :)
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2009 12:43 am (UTC)
when I hear stories like the one you posted

Which one? Did I offend?
[info]karisma_black wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2009 08:55 am (UTC)
I am making two points here: one, that these men are using the cover of religion to do what they do, and two, what they do is in the face of their faith, and is not endorsed by the bulk of those who follow the terms of their faith.

No, you didn't offend. I was simply referring to how in your entry you talk of people who are doing these horrible things and hiding behind a religion that does not endorse such an action. When I hear stories like this, I have to wonder why people of an organization/religion no longer live up to their names. Not to mention I dislike the people who judge a person based on the few fanatics who give these organizations/religions a bad name. Sorry if that was a little confusing!
[info]tammypierce wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2009 02:20 pm (UTC)
Oh, okay! I'm with you on people who hide behind a faith that doesn't dictate what they do, and those who judge the faith by the actions of the fanatics.
[info]technomom wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2009 09:36 pm (UTC)
The first link doesn't work for me--just takes me back to this post.
[info]dianamcqueen wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2009 09:49 pm (UTC)
Trying to be accepting of that faith is like trying to be accepting of a poisonous snake repeatedly biting you. That passage makes me sick.
They're actions make me sick, and practically the whole gaza region right now makes me sick, all of it!

They're all children, with big painful toys.
[info]evilstorm wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2009 05:53 am (UTC)
...Did you just indict all of Islam?
[info]dianamcqueen wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2009 06:19 am (UTC)
Faith like that of any faith, is pretty toxic. Any faith that that gives people permission in their own minds to commit atrocities and bomb the hell out of their neighbors isn't a faith I can accept personally. So, no, not just islam, but broken religion of any type. People make these things you know. They're ideas only on paper. It's how they manifest themselves in human actions that make them what they are in reality.

But all that I've read of the koran, I don't agree with and I don't like. That's my opinion.
[info]tammy212 wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2009 12:49 am (UTC)
But there is a lot of beauty and enlightenment in the Koran, a lot that is powerful and forward-looking. Mohammed was far more equitable in his treatment of women than the early Jews or Christians after St. Paul. He enjoined fair treatment of those of other faiths and said yes, you can have up to four wives if you must, but really, you can only deal fairly with one. He prized education and culture, and wanted those who followed him to prize those things, too. He said that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are related, the "People of the Book" (the first five books of the Bible, the Pentateuch), and that as such they ought to deal kindly together as people who share prophets.

Nutballs are nutballs. They come from everywhere. The majority of Muslims are just as decent as the majority of Jews, Christians, pagans, Hindus, Confucians, Shintoist, Buddhists, you name it.
[info]morpheus0013 wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2009 09:57 pm (UTC)
The first link is missing, but I've read about the acid attacks before and I just...
[info]dewline wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2009 11:04 pm (UTC)
I've heard of the stories of punitive scarring of those who dare commit the supposed "offense" of attending school or teaching in school. I cannot but agree that this is at odds with the very cause that book - among many others - champions.
[info]poeticloner wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2009 05:24 am (UTC)
I had a theology professor that told me once that some sections of the Qur'an are very accepting, and some passages are like the one that you posted. So basically the Qur'an is up to interpretation however someone wants to read it.
[info]tammypierce wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2009 02:23 pm (UTC)
So basically the Qur'an is up to interpretation however someone wants to read it.

As are all holy books. The prophet Samuel told King Saul God wanted him to kill every last living being of the enemy, right down to the infants and the sheep, and the Book of Revelations is just a nightmare that calls for the precipitation of a world-annihilating war just so the Righteous can ascend to Paradise. We can be literal, or we can follow the other precepts of those books, which say "thou shalt not kill," and "turn the other cheek."
[info]andyleggett wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2009 05:53 am (UTC)
I need to read the Koran. Also, the bible (more thouroughly this time).
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